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 Topic: Not a bad tide at the JettyPosted: 25 October 2012 at 7:20pm |
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Plenty of folks getting out for a while before the weather turns snotty and the rocks we giving up some nice gray trout, blues and even some puppy drum.
My crew and I had a blast with small flyrods and sinktip lines getting bent and bowed up with grays to 2 1/2 pounds along with pesky blues. The drum and specks eluded us and hopefully they will react better when some cooler water temps get here next week. Were any of y'all out there around mid-day when the small white flat bottom commercial boat with some older men rode the length of the rocks on the Bardens Inlet side between the folks anchored to fish and the rocks???  Words were exchanged and the behavior of the commercial monkey was as bad as any I've ever seen out there. I wasn't anchored up fishing yet as we were really looking for gray trout and not fishing close to the rocks, but had I been I just don't know what would have transpired, but I have a right good idea.Sooner or later this is not gonna be a pretty situation and tempers will not be the only thing that flares up and egos will not be the only things bruised. I hope somebody took pics and got the boat numbers of the pr**k and reported the "interaction" to NCDMF. "Different" NC at it's dead level best, the end can't get here quick enough!!! Good Fishing!!!
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Posted: 25 October 2012 at 9:44pm |
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Would have been a great time to sling an old red and white Gotcha!!
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Posted: 26 October 2012 at 8:17am |
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Or to pull tight that braid on the lure you slung in the rocks so it is at the perfect lower unit height.
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Posted: 26 October 2012 at 8:21am |
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Strategery 101.
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Posted: 26 October 2012 at 8:56am |
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I have to say it was the strangest thing I ever saw. There were boats anchored up at polite distances from one another and folks were casting to the rocks and catching some fish. I was on the stern of Chuck's boat and noticed this skiff traversing between the anchored boats and the rocks. The folks onboard the skiff were looking hard at the rocks; not sure what they were looking for. Anyway, I thought, Oh dear Lord, this guy doesn't know what he is doing and is going to cause some problems for sure and bust a hole in his boat. Once they got down closer to us I heard some not so pleasantries exchanged by the folks fishing with lines out and the driver of the skiff. I then saw the nets in the boat and I asked Chuck what in the world were those guys doing and why did they run over those folks' lines along the rocks since I didn't think you can set nets at the jetty. His reply was, "Because they can".
Having been posting on this site for a few years and reading most of the exchanges between commercial fishermen and recreational fishermen, can any commercial fisherman or someone that understands commercial fishing please explain why that even happened? It seemed rather rude and inconsiderate to do something like.
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Posted: 26 October 2012 at 9:22am |
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I would have made sure his prop was full of all the line off one of my reels.
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Posted: 26 October 2012 at 9:41am |
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Sounds like a blast. I've been wanting to get down there and get a few casts in but haven't had the time.
I'm not a full time commercial fisherman by any means, but do work as a deckhand on a couple of drop net boats in Chincoteague and Swan Quarter/Engelhard a few months out of the year when things at my land job are going slow. However, when work and weather permit I rod and reel fish, even fly fish, 3-4 days a week. It's just like any other group of people in that there's always a couple of bad apples who, like you described, are rude and inconsiderate. They will do anything to make a buck like Chuck said because they can. I've had several instances where a mullet or flounder boat has run out a net while I was rod and reel fishing and when I confronted them I basically got the same response Chuck described. However, more often than not they've either asked me how much longer I was gonna be there and moved on, or just kept on riding once they saw me. The ones that usually act like jackholes in my experience are usually part timers or the out of state mullet boats from FL. I've also had about an equal number of run ins with jackhole recs too, especially when the specks are thick or when I'm duck hunting. I can't begin to remember the number of times a troller has cut right through a school of specks or spanish I was casting to. For some reason some of them seem to be attracted to decoy spreads as well. I've also gotten about the same response from these guys as the guys who have run out a net right on top the hole I was fishing. I really think common courtesy is just disappearing from our nation's population as a whole, not just in commercial fishing. I see it all the time from fellow recs while rod and reel fishing, fellow duck hunters while duck hunting, and fellow comms while working on the net reel boat.
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Posted: 26 October 2012 at 10:34am |
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Very well said jegreen.
Though the guy described by Chuck and jtoler sounds like a definite dirtbag, all commercials are not dirtbags and all dirtbags are not commercial. |
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Posted: 26 October 2012 at 10:36am |
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Thank you for your response jegreen. I agree that recs can be jackholes as well. I suppose the title of rec or comm is just a way of identification for a specific purpose and for license sales. The truth is, a jackhole is gonna be a jackhole wether they be rec or comm. The whole scene was just so disappointing.
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Posted: 26 October 2012 at 10:45am |
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Very well said Jegreen...
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Posted: 26 October 2012 at 11:53am |
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The jackholes are everywhere. I'm not sure what the guy at the Jetty was thinking, but I'd be willing to bet he wasn't. We're packing up to head back to Chincoteague right now to put some more lines on the boat and get everything on deck secured before it gets too nasty. I'd be willing to bet I'll get a chance to see a few more jackholes on the interstate when we come through VA Beach tomorrow morning....we always do.
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Posted: 26 October 2012 at 3:36pm |
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I attempted to fish on Tuesday when the following happened. My wife and I were fishing a point in the marsh area off the drain. I was anchored about 20 yards off the marsh fishing live shrimp for trout. I noticed a mullet boat (the ones with the tower) with 2 men in their early twenties about 1 mile away come straight for me. They cut between me and the marsh and point I was fishing. They raised the engine of their boat and foamed the water on the point I was fishing for about 3 minutes. When I asked what their problem was, I got the usually response. They then circled the marsh island and left. My wife asked me to just leave and go to another area which we did. I was headed back to Harkers Island when I notice I had a different mullet boat about 30 yards behind my stern. He had many opportunities to go by me but chose to try to intimidate me instead. Both of these boats headed back headed back to the Smyrna / Marshallberg area. We then headed to the jetty behind Shackelford to try again. We were there about 10 minutes when three guys with a skiff showed up. It had a large Honda engine with a stainless steel protective shield around the engine. They proceeded to drive between the boats fishing the jetty and the rocks throwing two large diameter cast nets. I guess they were trying to catch mullets. They had maybe 10 to 15 mullets after about 10 casts, and many pi$$ed off fisherman. I am all for anyone trying to make a living. Please explain to me how 3 guys with cast nets can support themselves catching mullet at the Shackleford jetty with a skiff equipped with a large Honda engine. My grandfather had a commercial fishing license and I helped him with nets near Harkers Island from 1960 to 1985 until he was unable to fish them any longer at 85 years old. I saw him go out of his way to accommodate anyone on the water. I am sure these people were taught the same by their ancestors. If you think these people are not making an organized assault against recreation fisherman, then you are wrong. It is time for the commercial fishermen who have character and morals to step up and police their fellow commercial fisherman. Also we need to invite the Marine fishery and marine patrol people to fish with us in regular clothes so they can watch what is going on. Eventually someone is going to get hurt if this type of behavior continues. Please take pictures and send them to the correct authorities if you feel you are being harassed. |
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Posted: 26 October 2012 at 5:15pm |
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Wow, Louie, you didn't have any problems with all those res jackwagons, did you???
 Like I said, this mess is not gonna end until somebody gets hurt and it just ain't worth that, but it is gonna happen, mark my word.jegreen, as soon as I have an issue with recs that can't be attributed at about a 95% rate of ignorance we can talk, but the comms in both of the above situations, just like those that would set nets around surf fishermen or folks in a creek know full well what they are doing!!! And why not do it, they have seen this kind of behavior run decent folks away from MFC meetings, off the beaches, and have some scared to launch at ramps in our coastal counties, but there is a limit to boorish actions and intimidation and these boys are trampling all over that line and have been for years.  Good Fishing!!!
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Posted: 26 October 2012 at 7:02pm |
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So why is this in the Fishing Report Forum?
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Humility is the greatest quality a man can have, and arrogance is undoubtedly the worst.
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Posted: 26 October 2012 at 7:17pm |
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Because it is.
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Posted: 26 October 2012 at 8:40pm |
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PER sise LY why I dont fish the rock jetty............ WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY to many other places to catch a trout, drum or pinfish!!!!
 Thats ALMOST as much fun as untangling everyother cast with the 10th person to your right on the pier in search of a few spots!!!!!!
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Posted: 26 October 2012 at 9:05pm |
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Chuck, the
only rec encounter I had was a young man who apologized for getting a little
close to me a the Shack Rock jetty. He was about 40 yards away. LOL |
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Posted: 26 October 2012 at 10:04pm |
"My crew and I had a blast with small flyrods and sinktip lines getting bent and bowed up with grays to 2 1/2 pounds along with pesky blues. The drum and specks eluded us and hopefully they will react better when some cooler water temps get here next week.", from my OP. We caught quite a few, so that pretty much makes it a fishing report, but in case that doesn't float you personal boat BW, refer to jtoler since she stated it perfectly!  Good Fishing!!!
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Posted: 27 October 2012 at 8:01am |
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Nice report.
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Posted: 27 October 2012 at 8:16am |
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I think this needs the ole..."back on topic" statement from ol C.H... Lol
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It's better to keep your mouth shut and let them think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
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Posted: 27 October 2012 at 8:32am |
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Just another problem that can and will be met with a total lack of enforcement by the state,just like they approach federal fisheries regulations.If they don't answer the complaint,there's evidently no problem,so who are you to suggest there's a problem when obviously there is no problem.That being said,there's mullet boys out of Florida who have consideration,and NC boys who would rather frap your boat right up onto the rocks given the chance,so I think the way to look at this is by BOAT NUMBERS.Did you rat them out by-the-numbers.That's how a perp is reported and apprehended.WAIT!!Oh yeah-there's that first sentence to get past.You'll just be ignored by the state authorities.
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Posted: 27 October 2012 at 8:34am |
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Before we arrived at the jetty things looked a just like this,
 and once we got there and found this (exactly what I was looking for),  the fish we caught looked just like this,  and none of this changes one thing from the original post. Hope that makes you happy on a cloudy and stormy day my dear roam! Good Fishing!!!
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Posted: 27 October 2012 at 9:15am |
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BW, I think the post was absolutely justified. The fact that the commercial boat ran between the jetty and
the fishermen, King Louie and his wife, negatively affected the fishing experience. Specks especially do not tolerate that type of activity.
 Negative interactions are occuring up and down the coast. |
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Posted: 27 October 2012 at 10:41am |
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I had an awesome day fishing yesterday morning. Fished/explored a different spot that I had never really tried. Caught lots of reds, a black drum, speckled trout, keeper flounder, and even a gray. At one point found myself getting screamed at by one of the 'natives'. He was about 70 yds away on land and screaming like a lunatic that what sounded something like I was 'over HIS oysters.' Area was NOT marked by stakes, signs, buoys, etc. There is a lot of water out there to be shared among us and I would never encroach on someone else's property. I understand times may be tough, but good Lord guy, get a grip on things.
Four days ago had another guy on a skiff at speed within 10-20 feet of the boat and cut off the lines. Didn't even look behind after blasting the air horn. Clearly did it on purpose and didn't give a carp. It's a wonder he didn't get a hold of the hand line...that might have been ugly for one of us. Must have been a week for all the turds to surface. |
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Posted: 28 October 2012 at 10:13am |
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2 oz. egg sinkers and a sling shot. I have had jet skis get to close when I had kids swimming behind the boat. I drew down on him with the sling shot and he got the message. If there is no inforcement out there to catch "bad" people doing bad things, then there is no inforcement to catch "good" people doing bad things back. Wake the wrong person someday and you may get a nasty suprise.
I avoid trouble like the plague, but if we am put in danger, thats not going to sit well.
You could find your picture and boat numbers on this web site and a report filed with the law. I promise.
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Posted: 28 October 2012 at 12:18pm |
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U get to make the rules and break em C.H....after all it is YOUR sandbox!!! LOL
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It's better to keep your mouth shut and let them think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
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Posted: 28 October 2012 at 1:15pm |
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And under those same rules you get to come here anonymously and post like you did above.
You don't have to like it here, you don't have to come here or even read and you damn sure don't have to post. As of right now that is your choice and I'd like to keep it that way, the rest is completely up to you, roam, now ain't it? Have a great day.Good Fishing!!! |
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Posted: 28 October 2012 at 6:08pm |
There's a blinding flash of the obvious. Nice to see some weakies show up. |
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Humility is the greatest quality a man can have, and arrogance is undoubtedly the worst.
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Posted: 28 October 2012 at 6:28pm |
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As to the grays, they've been showing up in quite a few spots, even behind the house and over past the AB high rise.
Good Fishing!!!
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Posted: 28 October 2012 at 6:46pm |
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Yea - no chance to check it out this weekend
but I have a spot or two that are usually reliable for the elusive weakfish and doesn't take long to get a limit if I want to keep one for a meal the same day. Not a big fan unless fresh. Edited by BaitWaster - 28 October 2012 at 6:47pm |
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