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    Posted: 21 July 2017 at 10:36am
Well...another shrimping season is well underway.  As in the past, less than a handful of vessels are actively running their AIS/MMSI system as required by law. Federal law requires that all fishing vessels 65-feet in length or longer activate their tracking system fifteen minutes before leaving dock and leave it on while underway.

The screen shots below show a lot of effort in one small concentrated portion of the Pamlico Sound for the five day period starting at 5pm on Sunday, July 9th and ending on Friday, July 14 at 5pm.

The area was being trawled by the vessels shown below with their AIS/MMSI systems running for at least part of the week or at a speed that triggered the algorithm Global Watch uses for tracking. 

Where were the other active trawlers? How many were not running there AIS/MMSI system?  Forty more?  Sixty more?

Here is the area trawled by the four boats that tracking picked up-




Capt Ralph (Ralph Craddock- Manns Harbor)



Capt Jeff (Lee Bland Williams- Swanquarter)



Capt Phillips (Clyde Phillips- Swansboro)


Lady Anna (Cooke Seafood- Hampton Roads, VA)



Lady Anna is one of the Cooke boats from Hampton Roads, Va.



Here was the two week period from July 2 to July 14th. 




That period included the boats above plus the FV Catherine Lane

Catherine Lane- (Brent Fulcher)





There was a lot of trawling effort in the spring in the area off the Dead Tree Hole (Shackleford Banks) that has been identified but not yet designated as a Strategic Habitat Area (SHA) under the Coastal Habitat Protection Plan.

 


A lot of the boats below are in the Pamlico Sound trawling.  Why are they not running their AIS?

Owner/Agent Name Vessel ID Vessel Name Permit Mail Recipient Address City State Zipcode Effective Date Expiration Date
Brent Fulcher 906996 CAPT JEFF SPA BHG SCALLOP LLC 4410 CLAIBORNE SQ E 334 HAMPTON VA 23666-2071 6/24/2016 5/31/2017
Brent Fulcher 1136476 CAMERON SCOTT SPA VENTURE FISHING LLC 4410 CLAIBORNE SQ E STE 334 HAMPTON VA 23666-2071 2/3/2016 1/31/2017
Brent Fulcher 1139699 JEFFREY SCOTT SPA TRAWLER JEFFREY SCOTT INC 4410 CLAIBORNE SQ E STE 334 HAMPTON VA 23666-2074 10/20/2016 9/30/2017
Brent Fulcher 561112 CAMERON SCOTT SPA VENTURE FISHING LLC 4410 CLAIBORNE SQ E STE 334 HAMPTON VA 23666-2071 1/26/2017 1/31/2018
Brent Fulcher 1032638 COLTEN SCOTT SPA CAPT GASTON LLC PO BOX 3321 NEW BERN NC 28564-3321 8/1/2016 7/31/2017
Brent Fulcher 1056576 MICAH BELL SPA CAPT GASTON LLC PO BOX 3321 NEW BERN NC 28564-3321 8/1/2016 7/31/2017
Brent Fulcher 1120278 ASHTON MATTHEW SPA TRAWLER RICHARD HEATH INC PO BOX 3321 NEW BERN NC 28564-3321 5/1/2016 4/30/2017
Brent Fulcher 1130151 CAPT GASTON SPA LEGACY TRAWLING INC PO BOX 3321 NEW BERN NC 28564-3321 4/1/2016 3/31/2017
Brent Fulcher 1138317 GASTONS LEGACY SPA FULCHER TRAWLING LLC PO BOX 3321 NEW BERN NC 28564-3321 2/1/2016 1/31/2017
Brent Fulcher 505137 CATHERINE LANE SPA TRAWLER CATHERINE LANE INC PO BOX 3321 NEW BERN NC 28564-3321 1/1/2017 12/31/2017
Brent Fulcher 596153 LILLIE BELLE SPA TRAWLER JONATHAN RYAN INC PO BOX 3321 NEW BERN NC 28564-3321 8/12/2016 8/31/2017
Brent Fulcher 617732 JONATHAN RYAN SPA TRAWLER JONATHAN RYAN INC PO BOX 3321 NEW BERN NC 28564-3321 9/1/2016 8/31/2017
                     
Charles M Mitchell 1249376 CAPTAIN MATTHEW SPA CAPTAIN MATTHEW LLC 225 HILL LN SNEADS FERRY NC 28460-6582 12/16/2016 9/30/2017
Charles M Mitchell 636405 CHARLEE MARIE SPA CHARLEE MARIE SHRIMP BOAT LLC 225 HILL LN SNEADS FERRY NC 28460-6582 12/21/2015 4/30/2017
Charles M Mitchell 910529 THERESA MARIE SPA THERESA MARIE SHRIMP BOATS LLC 225 HILL LN SNEADS FERRY NC 28460-6582 10/13/2016 9/30/2017
                     
Dudley Scott Williams 506003 MARY ELIZABETH SPA WILLIAMS, DUDLEY SCOTT 3100 HODGES RD SCRANTON NC 27875-9726 11/1/2016 10/31/2017
Dudley Scott Williams 624876 LITTLE BIT SPA LINE SINK INC 3100 HODGES RD SCRANTON NC 27875-9726 5/1/2016 4/30/2017
                     
Ernie Ray James NC3165EE NECESSITY SPA JAMES, ERNIE RAY JR 153 SEABIRD LN SNEADS FERRY NC 28460-9789 10/21/2016 10/31/2017
Ernie Ray James NC3433DZ NECESSITY SPA JAMES, ERNIE RAY JR 153 SEABIRD LN SNEADS FERRY NC 28460-9789 10/6/2016 10/31/2017
                     
Floyd Gibbs 566278 PAPAS GIRL SPA GIBBS, FLOYD GUY JR PO BOX 6 ENGELHARD NC 27824-0006 11/1/2016 10/31/2017
Floyd Gibbs 617640 LADY AMIE SPA GIBBS, FLOYD GUY JR PO BOX 6 ENGELHARD NC 27824-0006 11/1/2016 10/31/2017
                     
G. CHRISTOPHER FULCHER 1043938 CHRISTINA ANN SPA TRAWLER CHRISTINA ANN INC PO BOX 250 ORIENTAL NC 28571-0250 3/1/2016 2/28/2017
G. CHRISTOPHER FULCHER 1091811 CHASITY BROOKE SPA CHASITY BROOKE LLC PO BOX 250 ORIENTAL NC 28571-0250 2/1/2016 1/31/2017
G. CHRISTOPHER FULCHER 1093738 ANNIE ELIZABETH SPA G & C SCALLOP FISHERIES INC PO BOX 250 ORIENTAL NC 28571-0250 1/1/2017 12/31/2017
G. CHRISTOPHER FULCHER 1102373 PAPAS GIRL SPA PAPAS GIRL LLC PO BOX 250 ORIENTAL NC 28571-0250 2/1/2016 1/31/2017
G. CHRISTOPHER FULCHER 1121461 PERSEVERANCE SPA CAROLINA ATLANTIC TRAWLING INC PO BOX 250 ORIENTAL NC 28571-0250 8/2/2016 5/31/2017
G. CHRISTOPHER FULCHER 1122740 GASTON BELL SPA CHESAPEAKE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD HARVEST INC PO BOX 250 ORIENTAL NC 28571-0250 11/1/2016 10/31/2017
G. CHRISTOPHER FULCHER 1124024 LADY DEBORAH SPA FV LADY DEBORAH LLC PO BOX 250 ORIENTAL NC 28571-0250 2/1/2016 1/31/2017
G. CHRISTOPHER FULCHER 1125310 SEA ANGELS SPA ATLANTIC CAROLINA TRAWLING INC PO BOX 250 ORIENTAL NC 28571-0250 6/1/2016 5/31/2017
G. CHRISTOPHER FULCHER 1147599 CHAZS TOY SPA DIAMOND SHOAL SEAFOOD INC PO BOX 250 ORIENTAL NC 28571-0250 5/2/2016 4/30/2017
                     
James Gillikin 591981 CAPT JAMES II SPA CAPT JAMES II INC PO BOX 533 BEAUFORT NC 28516-0533 9/1/2016 8/31/2017
James Gillikin 902684 CAPT JIMMY SPA TRAWLER CAPT JIMMY INC PO BOX 533 BEAUFORT NC 28516-0533 7/1/2016 6/30/2017
                     
James Ralph Craddock 571255 CAPT RALPH SPA ROANOKE FISH COMPANY INC 5897 US HIGHWAY 64 MANNS HARBOR NC 27953-9442 11/1/2016 10/31/2017
                     
Joseph Daniels 1026244 PACIFICS SPA DELORES OF WANCHESE INC 48 WATER ST HAMPTON VA 23663-1718 4/18/2016 3/31/2017
Joseph Daniels 1040383 BRIDGOT DENISE SPA ESTHER JOY INC 48 WATER ST HAMPTON VA 23663-1718 4/18/2016 1/31/2017
Joseph Daniels 1049030 SASSY SARAH SPA HIWALL INC 48 WATER ST HAMPTON VA 23663-1718 4/18/2016 1/31/2017
Joseph Daniels 1073368 VICKIE II SPA HIWALL INC 48 WATER ST HAMPTON VA 23663-1718 4/18/2016 1/31/2017
Joseph Daniels 1102867 LADY ANNA SPA CAPTAIN MALC INC 48 WATER ST HAMPTON VA 23663-1718 1/18/2017 7/31/2017
Joseph Daniels 1123755 GOOD NEWS II SPA DELORES OF WANCHESE INC 48 WATER ST HAMPTON VA 23663-1718 4/18/2016 3/31/2017
                     
Kenneth Pittman 632748 MISS KELLY SPA MISS KELLY DENISE INC 314 ROYAL RD BEAUFORT NC 28516-6572 11/7/2016 10/31/2017
Kenneth Pittman 917630 LADY KIMBERLY SPA PITTMAN, KENNETH RAY SR 314 ROYAL RD BEAUFORT NC 28516-6572 11/7/2016 7/31/2017
                     
Lee Bland Williams 546654 CAPT NATHAN SPA WILLIAMS, LEE BLAND 2508 LYNNSBURG RD SCRANTON NC 27875-9507 6/1/2016 5/31/2017
Lee Bland Williams 604116 CAPT ALEX SPA WILLIAMS, LEE BLAND 2508 LYNNSBURG RD SCRANTON NC 27875-9507 6/1/2016 5/31/2017
Lee Bland Williams 618476 BLACKBEARD SPA WILLIAMS, LEE BLAND 2508 LYNNSBURG RD SCRANTON NC 27875-9507 6/1/2016 5/31/2017
Lee Bland Williams 926886 CASSANDRA SPA WILLIAMS, LEE BLAND 2508 LYNNSBURG RD SCRANTON NC 27875-9507 6/1/2016 5/31/2017
Lee Bland Williams 950724 PREDATOR SPA WILLIAMS, LEE BLAND 2508 LYNNSBURG RD SCRANTON NC 27875-9507 6/1/2016 5/31/2017
Lee Bland Williams 574045 CAPT GARLAND SPA TRAWLERS GARLAND AND JEFF INC PO BOX 306 SWANQUARTER NC 27885-0306 8/1/2016 7/31/2017
Lee Bland Williams 576278 CAPT CECIL SPA TRAWLERS GARLAND AND JEFF INC PO BOX 306 SWANQUARTER NC 27885-0306 8/1/2016 7/31/2017
Lee Bland Williams 598529 ADDICTION SPA HOBO SEAFOOD INC PO BOX 306 SWANQUARTER NC 27885-0306 8/1/2016 7/31/2017
Lee Bland Williams 623905 CAPT JEFF SPA TRAWLERS GARLAND AND JEFF INC PO BOX 306 SWANQUARTER NC 27885-0306 8/1/2016 7/31/2017
                     
Murphy Hopkins 1055423 EAGLE SPA HOPKINS, MURPHY JACKSON JR 195 HOPKINS SEAFOOD RD BELHAVEN NC 27810-9373 8/1/2016 7/31/2017
Murphy Hopkins 1084993 LADY CAROLYN SPA HOPKINS, MURPHY JACKSON JR 195 HOPKINS SEAFOOD RD BELHAVEN NC 27810-9373 8/1/2016 7/31/2017
                     
Nancy Edens 1154512 DONALD LEE SPA NANCY JOY INC PO BOX 993 SNEADS FERRY NC 28460-0993 4/25/2016 3/31/2017
Nancy Edens 1155147 IKEY LEE SPA NANCY JOY INC PO BOX 993 SNEADS FERRY NC 28460-0993 4/25/2016 3/31/2017
Nancy Edens 1223581 GOLDSBORO W EDENS SPA NANCY JOY INC PO BOX 993 SNEADS FERRY NC 28460-0993 4/25/2016 3/31/2017
                     
Thomas Newman 622115 CAPT DELL SPA NEWMAN, THOMAS EDWARD JR 20451 US HIGHWAY 264 SWANQUARTER NC 27885-9364 7/18/2016 6/30/2017
Thomas Newman 951488 GRANNY GWEN II SPA NEWMAN, SONDRA GWEN 20451 US HIGHWAY 264 SWANQUARTER NC 27885-9364 4/12/2016 7/31/2017
                     
Potters (Birdie,Carol,Clyde)  1029895 BIRDIE P SPA TRAWLER CAPT ALFRED INC PO BOX 100 HOBUCKEN NC 28537-0100 7/1/2016 6/30/2017
Potters (Birdie,Carol,Clyde)  1041448 JANE CAROLYN SPA TRAWLER CAPT ALFRED INC PO BOX 100 HOBUCKEN NC 28537-0100 7/1/2016 6/30/2017
Potters (Birdie,Carol,Clyde)  1062598 CAPT POTTER SPA SIDDIE GOLDEN INC PO BOX 100 HOBUCKEN NC 28537-0100 10/1/2016 9/30/2017
Potters (Birdie,Carol,Clyde)  1069510 MCKENZIE SPA TRAWLER NEW HOPE INC PO BOX 100 HOBUCKEN NC 28537-0100 9/1/2016 7/31/2017
Potters (Birdie,Carol,Clyde)  1029425 TAMARA ALANE SPA POTTER, CLYDE ALFRED PO BOX 12547 NEW BERN NC 28561-2547 1/3/2017 12/31/2017
                     
Sammie Williams 1060577 LADY SAMAIRA SPA WILLIAMS, SAMMIE EUGENE 200 MAIN ST SWANQUARTER NC 27885-9700 5/11/2016 4/30/2017
                     
TIMOTHY B DANIELS 1103688 GULF STREAM III SPA YANKEE FISHERMAN LLC PO BOX 13 NEWPORT NEWS VA 23607-0013 7/19/2016 6/30/2017
TIMOTHY B DANIELS 626498 CAPT FELLA SPA YANKEE FISHERMAN LLC PO BOX 13 NEWPORT NEWS VA 23607-0013 7/1/2016 6/30/2017
                     
William Davis 1123860 NECIA ANN SPA DAVIS, WILLIAM THERON SR 151 DAVIS LN SNEADS FERRY NC 28460-6539 11/1/2016 10/31/2017
William Davis 900189 CAPT DAVIS SPA DAVIS, WILLIAM THERON SR 151 DAVIS LN SNEADS FERRY NC 28460-6539 11/1/2016 10/31/2017
                     
  913030 WILLIAM RYAN SPA THOMPSON, WILLIAM FRANK SR 114 EVERETT LN SNEADS FERRY NC 28460-6548 9/14/2016 8/31/2017
  556146 CAPT T MAN SPA FOSTER, SAMUEL JUSTIN 1154 OLD PAMLICO BEACH RD W BELHAVEN NC 27810-9402 4/14/2016 9/30/2017
  680440 MISS WANDA SPA WILLIS, RYAN DARRELL 122 NELSON NECK RD SEALEVEL NC 28577-9626 1/27/2017 4/30/2018
  NC6799DX SEA EAGLE SPA HICKMAN, WILLIAM AUBREY 1221 MEBANE RD SE WINNABOW NC 28479-5395 5/5/2016 3/31/2017
  1098451 CAPT REDD SPA DAVIS, JOSEPH DANIEL 125 DAVIS LN SNEADS FERRY NC 28460-6539 5/1/2016 4/30/2017
  577688 SABRINA JANE SPA POWELL, JOSEPH PARSON 132 POWELLS RD BEAUFORT NC 28516-7580 4/28/2016 3/31/2017
  592481 MISS ALICE SPA BBGD INVESTMENTS LLC 136 BANNERMANS MILL RD RICHLANDS NC 28574-8100 7/1/2016 6/30/2017
  NC1777WW UNNAMED SPA RIGGS, DONALD GENE SR 136 BANNERMANS MILL RD RICHLANDS NC 28574-8100 9/1/2016 8/31/2017
  545585 TUCKER J SPA NORRIS, ALTON JAMES JR 138 WHEELER CREEK RD SNEADS FERRY NC 28460-9444 7/1/2016 6/30/2017
  NC7515DW MISS ADDIE SPA DAVIS, ZACHARY THOMAS 150 RAY DAVIS RD MARSHALLBERG NC 28553-9728 11/1/2016 10/31/2017
  636797 MISS SANDRA GAIL SPA SUNRISE SEAFOOD INC 1550 BEACH DR SW CALABASH NC 28467-3001 7/1/2016 6/30/2017
  NC4033ED POLE DANCER II SPA BATTS, RANDY LEE 167 CHARLES CREEK RD SNEADS FERRY NC 28460-9758 10/25/2016 6/30/2017
  FL5700MR TINA RAE SPA MILLIKEN, TIMOTHY LLOYD 1750 SHALLOTTE PT LOOP RD SHALLOTTE NC 28470 12/3/2016 9/30/2017
  636996 HIGH RIDER SPA GALLOWAY, MARK DOUGLAS 22 FISHERMAN RD SW SUPPLY NC 28462-2731 9/1/2016 8/31/2017
  909599 MISS KAYDEN SPA MISS KAYDEN LLC 2200 GOOSE CREEK RD GRANTSBORO NC 28529-9552 10/1/2016 9/30/2017
  610434 KATHLEEN IRENE SPA MILLIS, RICHARD STANLEY 222 WHEELER CREEK RD SNEADS FERRY NC 28460-0673 7/1/2016 6/30/2017
  592186 MISS BEE SPA HEWETT, DANNY KIMBLE SR 2230 BIG NECK RD NW ASH NC 28420-3322 7/1/2016 6/30/2017
  560579 PATSY CAROLYN SPA YATES, CHARLES LEON 228 GILL NET LN SNEADS FERRY NC 28460-7590 6/20/2016 3/31/2017
  NC8324WY FOXY LADY SPA SHEARIN, JAMES COYE 2705 ONE IRON ST MOREHEAD CITY NC 28557-4963 8/2/2016 2/28/2017
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  672503 SEABROOK SPA HALL, JAMES STANLEY 2815 SEA AIRE DR SW SUPPLY NC 28462-2480 12/7/2016 4/30/2018
  531014 JOYCE D SPA HENRY DANIELS INC 302 TATE RD BELHAVEN NC 27810-9254 7/1/2016 6/30/2017
  676142 JUST RIGHT SPA ORMOND, GEORGE TYRONE SR 3032 POSSUM HILL RD BATH NC 27808-9003 4/28/2016 9/30/2017
  574050 LINDA ANN SPA NORRIS, JOHN ALLEN 306 CROSS ST SNEADS FERRY NC 28460-8520 11/1/2016 10/31/2017
  616507 GIT-ER-DONE SPA WILLIAMS, OLIVER KENT 30630 US HIGHWAY 264 ENGELHARD NC 27824-9514 12/1/2016 11/30/2017
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Why are these known five out of state boats not actively running their AIS?

http://ncwaterman.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=80205&title=georgia-on-my-mind-give-me-georgia-rules


Here was the Forgiven back in March actively running his AIS trawling off the beaches of Brunswick County, NC. You can see the vessel's track coming and leaving.




Here is a photo that I took on July 16th, 2017 in Adam's Creek, NC.



Why was the Forgiven not actively running its AIS in transit to NC?  Is it running its AIS today while trawling in the Pamlico Sound...history from 2015 and 2016 says not.

We let this out of state boat come into our estuarine nursery areas to trawl...what it can't do in its own state waters due to conservation measures to protect juvenile finfish nursery areas. 

 




Edited by Rick - 21 July 2017 at 1:55pm
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Nice work Rick!


Apparently they play by their own rules.


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They know that there is no enforcement.
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"Well...another shrimping season is well underway.  As in the past, less than a handful of vessels are actively running their AIS/MMSI system as required by law. Federal law requires that all fishing vessels 65-feet in length or longer activate their tracking system fifteen minutes before leaving dock and leave it on while underway."

Rick, I googled for a moment or two and could not find what you have referenced. I would appreciate a link. I don't believe 40-60 boats are ignoring a federal law, that is if the boats are even there.

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I talked to Capt Clyde today. The ASI/MMSI is a cluster fluck. The earlier poster is right, there is no enforcement. It is an international marine safety system, not a fishery management tool per se. 

NCDOT ferries are suppose to have them and all their boats dont have them. The Coast Guard boat boarding is suppose to have one, may or may not. 

All this thread proves is that people don't buy and use stuff unless they are forced to. 

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Correct-  AIS/MMSI is a safety issue under Homeland Security.

But...it can be used as a fisheries management tool.

http://www.globalfishingwatch.org/map

History of AIS/MMSI

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_Mobile_Service_Identity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_identification_system

The big shrimp boats fall under the Class B device for fishing vessels over 65 feet.  The law says if you're required to have one, you're required to have it active 15 minutes prior to getting underway.

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?pageName=AISFAQ#6

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?pageName=AISRequirementsRev#Operations

Here is info on the Micah Bell, as you can see the vessel is over 65-feet which requires AIS use.



Here's a screen shot from late July or early August 2016 showing the last known position of the Micah Bell on July 7th.




Yet, below is a link to a photo posted of the Micah Bell working the Pamlico Sound the week of July 18th with NCDMF employees on board-

http://ncfish.org/2016/07/proud-collaborative-research/







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If you get caught without it turned on, what is the charge? Misdemeanor? Or just a traffic ticket? Must be a minimal fine since they obviously don't care

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Maybe the DMF will use the CRFL funds to pay the fines for the kids; if any are ever charged. Certainly would be in line with the current misappropriation of funds. 
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So the vessel with dmf staff on it is not following USCG requirements.
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Obviously, they don't follow the regulations, but we are supposed to accept their data as gospel. 
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Proponents of trawling quote an old study that says an otter trawl going over a piece of bottom in shallow water is no more than what happens during a hurricane in terms of damage to the bethinic community on and just under that bottom. The record will show that I have always agreed with them. Please look at the graphs that Rick put up, and add the number of boats that don't turn on their devices to those graphs and then ask yourself a very, very important question prefaced by a fact.

An otter trawl creates a false hurricane in terms of damage, whenever it goes over a piece of bottom in Pamlico Sound.   With that fact in mind, how many false hurricanes does certain bottoms in Pamlico Sound have to sustain each year?

And if that is not enough....

Trawling does what?

Edited by Ray Brown - 24 July 2017 at 3:12pm
I am a native of NC. The "bycatch captial of the east coast of the US". Our legislature lets us kill more fish for no reason than any other Atlantic Coast state. I hope they are proud.
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Well just got off the phone with CG commercial vessel compliance officer. It is a safety tool, not a fishery tool, period. Vessel Monitoring systems are fishery enforcement systems and the public does not have access to that data.

He said when he inspects a new vessel, he tells them they need an AIS. He said the CG is in the education phase of AIS. AIS is low on the totem pole when a fishery, environmental, or safety inspection is done at sea. Port captains can even grant exemptions.

I asked what about a scallop boat in Pamlico Sound, does he need his AIS on, maybe maybe not. 

Globalfishingwatch, what a piece of work. I think the mantra is global problems require global solutions. I didn't know Google and Bloomberg were so fisheries conscious or recreational friendly. Maybe di Caprio is dying for some pan trout.

Big Ag has a bottleneck on soil based crops. The solution to global seafood will be Big Fish.

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No one has said that AIS was not established as a safety tool first and foremost, but in other countries it is used to monitor and watch harvest of public trust resources and the information is public as Rick has proven.

Marine waters are not private gardens thus where and what a person is doing in public areas is certainly subject to monitoring just like video cameras monitor all of us in public buildings.

I've talked with the same folks you did down in Wilmington and they admit that fishermen hate it, but that the program does exist for their safety and that the results ARE public information and attainable by anyone who seeks it.   Port Captains can exclude, but only when that boat is in port or in close quarters. You can't claim Pamlico Sound is "an inland sea" and then claim on another day that it is "close quarters".

But it clearly shows the beating that Pamlico Sound gets each year. It also shows that areas like Chesapeake Bay don't get beaten like this.

GPS was not developed to show infidelity by anyone, but in the end it is often used to prove it.

AIS is not the issue here, what it shows is however quite revealing to those who never thought of the traversing of the sound these large ships do.
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The thread is called AIS MMIS.

The other countries are?  Indonesia is excited about it because they are in a shooting war with China over fisheries areas.

Why would a Port Captain exclude a boat tied to the dock?

I think GPS was developed to put a missle down a rabbit hole. Navigation assistance came much later.

I've never seen a law that didn't have a loophole for the well connected or lawyer-ed up. 

There is something left out of the equation here, why would a boat in a legal fishery fishing in a legal manner need to hide his presence. 

When Capt Phillips left the sound in Rick's track, the AIS showed him going to the railway. Did it prove he trawled all the way to Beaufort.

Ray if you support your neighbor wearing an ankle bracelet, don't get mad when he doesn't defend you when they put one on you. Maybe you should reread 1984.

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oh I forgot, thank god Sean Connery didn't hit one of Mr. Fulcher's boats when he bought Red Ocktober through Ockracoke  inlet andsailed it to the Cliffs of the Neuse.
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I don't eat nc shrimp and sleep better at night. Fish taste better. That said son kill em all and make yourselves extinct- kinda like you will be when Cooke moves in. Have a blessed day.
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huh?  Is TomM a bot? Is that you daddy, "son" I always thought you died in Brazil. Maybe we can meet at Ray's to get reacquainted.
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Originally posted by Ray Brown Ray Brown wrote:



And if that is not enough....

Trawling does what?




Removing 6% of the biota on every pass is a huge negative effect.   And with a recovery time more than a year, the additive effects of yearly trawling are massive.

This article is a true indictment of bottom trawling.


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Sorry shellfish about the "son" but having been around a long time and having seen the best of times and now a low I can see what might be coming. Course I could have been more careful but being a bot....... Tide is going out- enjoy. My profile is visible if you have a question
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Arguing about science, trading insults all in good fun I'm sure. Record shrimp harvest last year = Few predators (fish). Does anyone really want to argue that? Think carefully
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Thanks Tom.

I don't know your age but im in my 60's. This isn't my first rodeo either. 

If your travels bring you to Swansboro this fall I'd love to show you my hatchery  and we can roast some oysters, have a few beers, and talk about the old days.

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I wouldn't want to risk sounding dumb, but I thought shrimp harvest predictions were based on salinity levels of the upper reaches of the nursery where marine fish find it too fresh.

And yes I come to NCwaterman for the fun of arguing but more importantly to maybe influence someone who truly wants to see all sides of the issues.
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History shows that record shrimp harvest years are followed by below average ones, but I admit that either climate change or global warming may be affecting us currently so we will have to wait and see.   There is also an unprecedented amount of day light trawling going on in Pamlico Sound this year due to the influx of new participants.  That alone coul reduce poundage due to harvest at a younger age while at the same time reducing the economic impact on NC for the same reason.  Bigger shrimp demand, and attain, a bigger price.

Edited by Ray Brown - 25 July 2017 at 10:45am
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Looking at all sides, young Brad, one finds that the commercial fishing community hasn't ever supported conservation of public trust resources. Crashing populations of fish with two mile haul seines and then progressing to the monofilament gill net, while dragging the estuary in ocean sized behemoths, and, oh yes, telling us how they are our daddies, who do what they want, while their environmental and ethical partners in government wholesale rail the citizens right up there, and if somebody dares utter an objection to these proven abuses, YOU call it a miopic shortcoming on the part of the stakeholders that you just can't get with their stakeholder-ness enough to understand that you can't have it all. You certainly seem well suited to an eel mafia structure like they have in Maine.
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Originally posted by bakesta bakesta wrote:

Removing 6% of the biota on every pass is a huge negative effect.   And with a recovery time more than a year, the additive effects of yearly trawling are massive.

This article is a true indictment of bottom trawling.

Obviously NC is different Wink as apparently a pound of shrimp equals an equal amount and composition from the beginning of the season to the end. 
Originally posted by Ray Brown Ray Brown wrote:

History shows that record shrimp harvest years are followed by below average ones, but I admit that either climate change or global warming may be affecting us currently so we will have to wait and see.  

Actually, based on landings data, great years appear to be lumped back-to-back, e.g., 1999-2000, 2007-2008, 2015-2016.

2015 was 30% above 20-year 7 million pounds average followed by almost double the average in 2016 (90%). 
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I wonder if the back to back good years have anything to do with a mild winter allowing later and earlier harvesting
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I thought you had waved goodbye to this forum...nah...I knew better.

Originally posted by BaitWaster BaitWaster wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Rick wrote:

...but still no comment on the subject at hand.

Why?  To what point? 

OK - CRFLGate as a name is LOL

Days of discussion and debate on NCW are over.  That ship has sailed.

Now the Rick & Ray Free Fire Zone.





I don't plan on going anywhere.  Still fighting the same old battles.

We'll see what happens to shrimp harvest.  We know without a doubt what is happening to croaker, spot, gray trout, southern flounder, summer flounder, blue crab...

Contrary to what NCDMF claims, it certainly doesn't look like trawl effort is down 50% to 80% if landings are any indication of true effort.








Edited by Rick - 25 July 2017 at 1:17pm
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i said "think carefully". does anyone want to argue more fish eating shrimp yields fewer shrimp? has anyone out there been struck moronic? sadly it will surprise me if someone doesn't believe that.  
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Originally posted by kshivar kshivar wrote:

i said "think carefully". does anyone want to argue more fish eating shrimp yields fewer shrimp? has anyone out there been struck moronic? sadly it will surprise me if someone doesn't believe that.  



Absolutely-  The stocks of major finfish species that prey on shrimp are depressed compared to historical numbers.  Not only are the numbers depressed but the sizes are depressed due to truncated age structures.  Total biomass of predator species is way down when you look at croaker, spot, gray trout, southern flounder and summer flounder.

 


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