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Not much for the resource here-  Complete briefing book including agenda





Release: Immediate

Contact: Patricia Smith

Date: May 4, 2020

Phone: 252-342-0642

 

MEDIA ADVISORY: Marine Fisheries Commission to meet by webinar May 14

 

MOREHEAD CITY – The N.C. Marine Fisheries Commission will meet by webinar starting at 9 a.m. May 14.

 

The public may listen to the meeting by phone or listen and view presentations in real-time by joining online. Directions for calling in by phone or joining the webinar online, including information on system requirements and testing, will be forthcoming and available here [portal.ncdenr.org]. Following the meeting, an audio recording will be posted online.

As required by the N.C. Public Meetings Law, a telephone listening location will be available at the Division of Marine Fisheries’ Central District Office, 5285 Highway 70 West, Morehead City. Based on the current Executive Order to minimize the spread of COVID-19, the capacity of the room will be limited to 10 individuals and proper social distancing will be required. It is strongly encouraged that members of the public access the meeting remotely by webinar or by telephone.

Public comment will not be accepted during the meeting. Members of the public may submit written comments to the commission in two ways:

 

  1. Online Comments – Public comments will be accepted until 5 p.m. May 12 through an online format by clicking here.
  2. Mailed Comments – Written comments may be mailed to May Marine Fisheries Commission Meeting Comments, P.O Box 769, Morehead City, N.C. 28557. Comments must be received by the division by 5 p.m. May 12.

 

Public comment will not be accepted through email.


The meeting agenda includes votes on:

 

  • Approving two diamondback terrapin management areas in the southern coastal waters of the state (Masonboro Island Diamondback Terrapin Management Area and Bald Head Island Diamondback Terrapin Management Area) where fishermen will be required to use turtle excluders in crab pots;
  • Beginning the process for the re-adoption of seven rules pertaining to recreational water quality monitoring to protect the public health of recreational swimmers under a mandatory periodic review of existing rules; and
  • Continuing the suspension of rules for several proclamations.

 

The agenda also includes presentations and possible votes on the issues of:

 

  • Recreational hook and line modifications pertaining to circle hooks and barbless treble hooks to reduce dead discards; and
  • Repacking of foreign crab meat in North Carolina.

 

Additionally, Division Director Steve Murphey will update the commission about the state’s ongoing review of small mesh gill net management measures.

 

A full meeting agenda and briefing book materials are posted online here [portal.ncdenr.org].

 

WHO:

N.C. Marine Fisheries Commission

WHAT:

Quarterly Business Meeting

WHEN:

May 14 at 9 a.m.

WHERE:

Meeting by Webinar
Click Here [portal.ncdenr.org]


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote j.willis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 May 2020 at 11:11am
Know the Chairman is pushing this

"Recreational hook and line modifications pertaining to circle hooks and barbless treble hooks to reduce dead discards."

IF the MFC passes it and IF no conservation equivalency to go along with it,  can 10 letters in opposition overturn it?
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So the answer to the 10 letter opposition question is "no, it doesn't apply here."

What about getting a conservation equivalency so that creel limits are increased? That is, can the number of regulatory discards saved via this rule be transferred over to allowed catch?




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Why would the 10 letter rule not apply?  Sounds like a bluff.

If the Chair pushes this through, he is playing for the commercial side.

Current limits for recreational fishing

flounder = ZERO
striped bass = ZERO
red drum = 1


Our recreational fisheries have been destroyed.   

Gill nets and shrimp trawls are still completely legal and we are debating circle hooks and pressing barbs down??????????

The MFC would accomplish more if they tried to dig a hole with a shovel below the tide line.


Dear Chairman BizzyB - either get serious about shutting down gillnets and trawls or go home.  Start using their "process" and every possible angle against them.  Go to war with DMF.   It's time to #$&* or get off the pot!



















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Shrimp Trawl guys complain that the ocean is too rough to shrimp and they must shrimp in our sounds.....no issues with ocean trawling when they found the mother load of shrimping off of North OBX in Dec/Jan where they posted record catches.
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I guess the Director could issue the rule by proclamation as a temporary measure...what a slippery slope.

I'll see their circle hook proclamation and raise them proclamations to ban inshore shrimping and gillnets.

You might look at this presentation from the Feb meeting on "Rule Making"-


GS pertaining to objection to Rule-

you might read pages 67-75 in the briefing book if you haven't.

VI. SUMMARY OF FINDINGS
In general, science supports the use of circle hooks as a means to reduce hook trauma and discard mortality 
  • Aside from extensive research on red drum, few studies have been conducted in North Carolina that evaluate the effectiveness of circle hooks 
  • Studies suggests that off-set circle hooks negate the positive benefits of circle hooks  

Very little research exists on the effects of hook trauma by treble hooks  

No industry standard exists for circle hook style and size 
  • If circle hook use is required, a clear definition is needed  

Other management jurisdictions that require the use of circle hooks focus on single species/fisheries or complexes to implement hook requirements 
  • Reduces unintended consequences, i.e. live bait trolling, exclusion of species with unique mouth physiologies, etc. 
  • Increases the likelihood of compliance and enforcement

Consider positive and negative social and economic effects 
  •  Potential decrease in angler satisfaction through decreased catch rates for some species 
  •  Positive impact to catch rates if population responds to reduced discard mortality 
  •  Economic impact to anglers and tackle shops

I'll guess Fishers of Men will file a lawsuit if enacted.  What happened to their last lawsuit?




Edited by Rick - 05 May 2020 at 4:48pm
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Two many steps in rule making. That is why it takes 5 years and everyone goes numb waiting. No improvement change direction but I just don’t see it happening.
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New mandatory lures for recreational fishing in North Carolina.   Just don't add a hook.  If you can land a fish on this, you can keep it.

As long as it's not a flounder, or striper, or out-of-slot drum.

I'm sure the DMF and MFC will happily approve this to save fish for the gillnets.



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Circle hooks are NOT standardized in size.  

Yet somehow using circle hook size has found its way into rule:

It is unlawful to use any hook larger than

4/0 from July 1 through September 30 in

the internal coastal fishing waters of

Pamlico Sound and its tributaries south of

the Albemarle Sound Management Area as

defined in 15A NCAC 03R .0201 and north

of a line beginning at a point 34° 59.7942' N

- 76° 14.6514' W on Camp Point; running

easterly to a point at 34° 58.7853' N - 76°

09.8922' W on Core Banks while using

natural bait from 7:00 p.m. to 7:00 a.m.

unless the terminal tackle consists of:

A circle hook defined as a hook with the

point of the hook directed perpendicularly

back toward the shank, and with the barb

either compressed or removed.

A fixed sinker not less than two ounces in

weight, secured not more than six inches

from the fixed weight to the circle hook.

(also continued education on fishing

methods that minimize risk to fish)During

July through September, unlawful to use Jhooks

larger than 4/0 while fishing natural

bait in Pamlico Sound and its tributaries,

excluding the ASMA and Core Sound,

south (also continued education on fishing

methods that minimize risk to fish)

1, 2 & 5 Rule change

3J .0306

169



They are also apparently needed:


Encourage the use of circle

hooks to minimize

recreational discard mortality

1,2,4 Needed



Edited by chriselk - 06 May 2020 at 7:52am
The above comments are my personal opinion and do not represent those of any organizations or agencies I may be a member of.
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Based on DMF's own VI. SUMMARY OF FINDINGS,  to enact the rule on hook modification is "abitrary and capricious."





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Originally posted by j.willis j.willis wrote:

Based on DMF's own VI. SUMMARY OF FINDINGS,  to enact the rule on hook modification is "abitrary and capricious."



 

Exactly!  

Let's talk about what we do know-

From the ASMFC 2017 Spot FMP-

All major sources of removals of Spot were thoroughly described including: discards in the shrimp  trawl fisheries, commercial landings, and recreational harvest.  Discards from the shrimp trawl  fisheries accounted for 31‐70% of annual removals, commercial landings for 10‐40% most years,while recreational harvest typically accounted for approximately 10% each year.  The remaining  sources of fishery removals were typically 5% or less of total annual removals over the last 20+  years (e.g., scrap fishery).  The assessment period was 1989‐2014. 

From the ASMFC 2017 Croaker FMP-

The long term mean annual removals was 193,621 metric tons.  Annual discards from the shrimp trawl fishery ranged from 82,040 to  513,801 metric tons with a long term mean of 179,873 metric tons.  Shrimp trawl bycatch  accounted for 81‐99% of annual Atlantic croaker removals and averaged 91.6% of all removals. 

Circle hooks- 
I support their use.  I personally fish with them for spot, croaker, sea mullet, black drum, red drum, flounder, speckle trout and gray trout when fishing natural bait.

...but circle hooks are not the answer to the problems in our fisheries.

Too much commercial effort is the problem.  Our directed fisheries are at over-capacity.  Nondirected bycatch is astronomical.  

NCDMF/NCMFC has failed to properly delineate, and therefore protect, critical habitat nursery areas for the sole reason of keeping estuarine shrimp trawling legal in those important nursery areas.

The importance of circle hook regulations today...are a personal agenda expressing..."Look what recreational anglers are willing to do!  What are you commercials willing to do?"

The answer...ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

As it stands today, the legal system is our only answer.

Maybe Nov 3rd brings change.  











Edited by Rick - 06 May 2020 at 5:36pm
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Exactly spot on!!!!  Thumbs Up
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I don't want to believe that these dumba$$es are pursuing requiring circle hooks for rec fishermen and won't do anything about bycatch in the shrimp trawl fishery. But then I remember this is NC. I mean truly idiotic. 

Circle hooks have their place but requiring them overall is asinine. Give me a long shank number 2 hook for bottom fishing tasty fish like spot and sea mullet. So stupid.


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Thought that it was determined that circle hooks would be detrimental to the inshore fishery by actually causing deep hooking in most species.
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What spots? They’re all dying as babies in shrimp trawls.
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Anyone want to bet whether the issues of Webex are corrected by DMF on Thursday during the MFC meeting?

In the past, there have been problems with 
1. DMF unable to get Webex to work at all or 
2. the sound cutting in and out or 
3. the speakers' voices so low to be audible or 
4. the problem with knowing who is speaking at the time or 
5. not knowing which Commissioner voted for or against a motion (only the final count is reported unless a roll call is requested).

Now the Commissioners will know what we've been dealing with via teleconference.  
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